Ask Kasey Leander (October 12-16, 2020)

Hello again, @Interested_In_Ask_RZIM friends-

This week we are pumped to welcome back itinerant speaker @Kasey_Leander into the Q&A hot seat. :fire:

Prior to his time at the OCCA, Kasey earned a degree in history and PPE (politics, philosophy, and economics) from Taylor University. He has worked briefly in politics, serving as an intern in the US Senate in Washington, DC. While living in Boston, he spoke for events at universities including MIT, Harvard, Brown, Yale, Boston University, and Boston College Law.

As an itinerant speaker, Kasey speaks widely on the philosophical underpinnings of popular culture, the need for God in moral reasoning, and the historical credibility of the Christian message. Kasey originally hails from Colorado Springs, Colorado, and harbors a love of mountains, food trucks, and spectacular views.

Reply to below to ask your question of him! :point_down:


Hi Kasey! I’m sorry this isn’t a “Harvard” deep philosophical question. My husband and I are Taylor alums. It was a great place for us to grow in our faith and to meet each other. Kasey, two of our adult children also went to Taylor(It could have been any school). They both seemed strong in their faith going to Taylor but both left Taylor turned away from their faith. Our adult kids are very concerned that their father and I will not vote the way they want us to. They want to have an intervention on a zoom call with us. I have a feeling there are many Christian parents whose children have been pulled into this culture. The rejection and separation this is bringing Is very painful. I believe it is a time of great testing of our faith and who is priority in our lives. How can we communicate our love yet have good boundaries with our adult kids?


Hi everyone, great to be with you this week! Love this opportunity to sharpen each other with questions and conversations. I’ll be replying via video messages, so keep an eye out for those throughout the week!

@Lindylou, want to start with your incredibly relevant question. I have a lot of thoughts and I just want to say, thank you so much for your thoughtful + honest post. Will have a video up tomorrow and eager to hear your thoughts.


Hi Kasey! Thanks for answering our questions this week.

Yesterday, a college student (major in psychology) asked me why do we still need to pray for healing when people are being healed medically, not really a supernatural event especially when they are being admitted in a hospital. I believe healing is supernatural in itself as it always come from God and He sometimes use medicine to do that(but even medicine gives us no guarantee unless God would grant healing). Her classmate also believes that mental illness like schizophrenia are God’s way of punishing people. She did not ask this question but I really do wonder how can a person with severe schizophrenia (especially those locked in a mental institution because they can’t control themselves) be shared the gospel to or know about Jesus? I know that God is able to heal them instantly if He wills to and He is able to give wisdom and understanding to anyone but with all the things we learned about psychiatric nursing and with all attempts to pray for them and talk to them, it’s difficult for me to reconcile my thoughts regarding their salvation and the state they are in. I really find it hard to enter into the world they are in. Also, they can’t seem to understand even simple questions such as “Are you hungry?”. Problems with neurotransmitters, hormonal imbalances and even electrolyte imbalances can cause us to think differently than we ought to and that is really beyond our mind’s control. Some people are blessed to have themselves checked and medicated. How about the ones who don’t have the means to be treated with medicine? Will they remain shut from reality and devoid of understanding the gospel? How would you know if what they are experiencing is a demonic attack and not a severe mental illness? Please forgive me for the series of questions.:sweat_smile:Will you please walk me through my friend’s question and mine as well? Thank you in advance and God bless​:blush:

@Lindylou, here’s pt. 1 of my response on how do we deal with family members who have walked away from the faith?

The two books I reference are:

Boundaries - Henry Cloud

Emotionally Healthy Spirituality - Peter Scazerro

PS You might have noticed a bug hitch a ride around 5:29 :laughing:Just want to say, I found him right after filming and sent him along his merry way. Too funny - hope it wasn’t distracting!!! That’s what I get for filming outside :sweat_smile:

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@Lindylou Here’s part 2 about politics. No bug this time :smirk:

Eager to hear your thoughts! Thanks again Lynn- praying for you as you navigate these convos with your kids.


Kasey, thank you for taking the time to share God’s wisdom with me. I feel encouraged to find the question behind the question with my kids. I have been praying a lot about my words. I really want God to give me a listening heart with thoughtful answers, to be soft spoken and still firm in what I believe.
I have been carrying my kids for a long time. It is hard for me to not go over and over in my mind how I failed them. This was going to be my biggest accomplishment raising my kids to love Jesus. So yes, I have put them up on the pedestal. I guess we are all trying to find our value in something around us. I need to go back to the Lord for my value. You have helped me see that those are way to big of expectations to have put on my kids.
There were many more things you said that were helpful to me. I’m sure I will go back over your messages many times. I’ve shared them with my husband also. God has us so together on this, I’m so grateful for that.
So our kids are calling us Friday night. If you happen to think of us, if you would pray for a God honoring conversation. That Michael and I could hear the question behind the question.
We are praying for RZIM, for unity and strength right now.

Thank you so much!
Lynn Darling


@Lindylou, man, thank you so much for this response. I can so clearly see the tenderness and humility that the gospel calls us to in your words. May God give you the wisdom, compassion and love of truth that you’re praying for, and may he work these conversations for your eternal good and the good of your children. Praying for you sister. I think these words from the book of James might be for you:

3:13 “Who is wise and understanding among you? Let them show it by their good life, by deeds done in the humility that comes from wisdom.

3:17 “But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere. Peacemakers who sow in peace reap a harvest of righteousness.”
1:5 “If any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to you.”
And take heart! The battle is never over. He is able to do so much more, in our own hearts, lives, and relationships than we could ever ask or imagine (see Eph. 3:20!)

God bless Lynn!


@Keithy, thanks so much for this question! Very thought provoking. Mental health is so important right now, and so frequently misunderstood. A vital question for us to consider! Should have a video response uploaded by the end of the day :slightly_smiling_face:


@Keithy, here you go! Eager to hear your thoughts.

Two resources that might be helpful:

Dr. Brandon Unruh on [Truth, Anxiety and Mental Health](Brandon Unruh:

Lee Strobel’s book [The Case for Miracles](The Case for Miracles: A Journalist Investigates Evidence for the Supernatural is a great framework for understanding the miraculous.


Thank you so much for these videos and thank you Lynn for asking the questions so close to my own heart - especially right now- of family and politics. Kasey, you have clearly verbalized many the thoughts in my mind In response to these very questions and of what I believe the Lord has been speaking to me. I am still learning -to have the courage to voice and and give the answer for the reason I believe to family, to friends and the world. I am especially learning to honestly voice and converse with our Lord. I do believe it starts in this relationship with our Lord and grows from there. I have so much to learn - and am so thankful for the RZIM approach to apologetics as you have demonstrated in these videos. I am of retirement age and would have loved to learn more earlier in life but have to face living with my life now in Jesus. I have heard many stories of the grandmas prayers being the turning point for many people’s lives- so will be content with being faithful to what I KNOW. Thanks again. May God richly bless you.

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H Casey!
Your answer to Lynn’s was real helpful for me personally, thanks. I have a question involving politics and patriotism. My question is," Is it ok for a Christian to be involved in politics and where does (or should there be) a love for one’s country come in a Christian life?" I really enjoy reading about politics and love my country, but I doubt if that is right.Thanks alot for your time and your answer.
Akira Hori

Hey @Akira, thanks so much for this question! I’m so passionate about this topic (maybe it shows??? haha!) Curious to hear your response!!

Here are some of the quotes I reference:

CS Lewis on the three types of country-love (from his book The Four Loves)

"First, there is love of home, of the place we grew up in or the places, perhaps many, which have been our homes; and of all places fairly near these and fairly like them; love of old acquaintances, of familiar sights, sounds and smells. Note that at its largest this is, for us, a love of England, Wales, Scotland, or Ulster…With this love for the place there goes a love for the way of life; for beer and tea and open fires, trains with compartments in them and an unarmed police force and all the rest of it; for the local dialect and (a shade less) for our native language… It would be hard to find any legitimate point of view from which this feeling could be condemned. As the family offers us the first step beyond self-love, so this offers us the first step beyond family selfishness… Of course patriotism of this kind is not in the least aggressive. It asks only to be let alone. It becomes militant only to protect what it loves. In any mind which has a pennyworth of imagination it produces a good attitude towards foreigners. How can I love my home without coming to realise that other men, no less rightly, love theirs?..

The second ingredient is a particular attitude to our country’s past. I mean to that past as it lives in popular imagination; the great deeds of our ancestors. Remember Marathon. Remember Waterloo. “We must be free or die who speak the tongue that Shakespeare spoke.” This past is felt both to impose an obligation and to hold out an assurance; we must not fall below the standard our fathers set us, and because we are their sons there is good hope we shall not… This feeling has not quite such good credentials as the sheer love of home. The actual history of every country is full of shabby and even shameful doings…The heroic stories, if taken to be typical, give a false impression of it and are often themselves open to serious historical criticism. Hence a patriotism based on our glorious past is fair game for the debunker. As knowledge increases it may snap and be converted into disillusioned cynicism, or may be maintained by a voluntary shutting of the eyes. But who can condemn what clearly makes many people, at many important moments, behave so much better than they could have done without its help?.. I think it is possible to be strengthened by the image of the past without being either deceived or puffed up. The image becomes dangerous in the precise degree to which it is mistaken, or substituted, for serious and systematic historical study…

This third thing is not a sentiment but a belief: a firm, even prosaic belief that our own nation, in sober fact, has long been, and still is markedly superior to all others. I once ventured to say to an old clergyman who was voicing this sort of patriotism, “But, sir, aren’t we told that every people thinks its own men the bravest and its own women the fairest in the world?” He replied with total gravity—he could not have been graver if he had been saying the Creed at the altar—“Yes, but in England it’s true.” To be sure, this conviction had not made my friend (God rest his soul) a villain; only an extremely lovable old ass. It can however produce asses that kick and bite. On the lunatic fringe it may shade off into that popular Racialism which Christianity and science equally forbid…."

The US founding fathers also wrote at length on the relationship between God, virtue, and public life… something they were all on pins and needles to get right as they kick started their new republic!

Here’s a few lines I find super interesting:

John Adams, Letter to Zabdiel Adams, June 21, 1776: Statesmen, my dear Sir, may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone, which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue; and if this cannot be inspired into our people in a greater measure than they have it now, they may change their rulers and the forms of government, but they will not obtain a lasting liberty. They will only exchange tyrants and tyrannies.

Patrick Henry: “Bad men cannot make good citizens. It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains. A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, is incompatible with freedom. No free government, or the blessings of liberty, can be preserved to any people but by a firm adherence to justice, moderation, temperance, frugality, and virtue; and by a frequent recurrence to fundamental principles.”

John Adams: "The general principles, on which the Fathers achieved independence, were the only Principles in which that beautiful Assembly of young Gentlemen could Unite, and these Principles only could be intended by them in their address, or by me in my answer. And what were these general Principles? I answer, the general Principles of Christianity, in which all these Sects were United: And the general Principles of English and American Liberty, in which all those young Men United, and which had United all Parties in America, in Majorities sufficient to assert and maintain her Independence.

George Washington, Circular to the States, 1783: It is yet to be decided whether the Revolution must ultimately be considered as a blessing or a curse: a blessing or a curse, not to the present age alone, for with our fate will the destiny of unborn millions be involved.

A bonus from FD:
Frederick Douglass: “The best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy who, under the specious . . . garb of patriotism seeks to excuse, palliate or defend them.”

@Kasey_Leander, thank you for answering our questions this week! In my recent studies about justice and equality, I’m finding frequent references to structural evil. To what extent does the concept of structural evil fit within the Christian worldview?

According to Wikipedia (please forgive my less-than-desirable source), “structural evil or systemic evil is evil which arises from structures within human society, rather than from individual wickedness or religious conceptions such as original sin.” The Wikipedia article also mentioned Rousseau as one of the early thinkers who addressed this concept, linking it to his belief that humans are naturally good but are corrupted by society.

When the phrase “structural evil” is used in today’s culture, does it still carry these ideas? If so, is there a better way for us to communicate about the need for righteous laws?

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Hi @Jennifer_Wilkinson -

I’m a few days late, but definitely wanted to make sure I answered your question! What a vital element to our moral/political conversations right now. Hope this is helpful, eager to hear your thoughts.