Evolution vs. Eden—looking for references on Ravi's teaching

Where are the references to Ravi Zacharias’ teaching on Evolution is Not a Theory of Origin:

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the transcript (passed through youtube to auto-transcribe the audio)

From Part 2:

this is just a thought with ravi zacharias
however concrete reality is sectioned, the result will be a state of affairs which shows its being to something other than itself. evolution cannot be a theory of ultimate origins its operation presupposes the existence of certain entities with specific potential behaviors and an environment of some specific kind that operates upon those entities in some specifically ordered fashion the type of structure found in evolution did not itself come through evolution so when we are talking about God as he exists I believe there’s a very persuasive argument made for why the God that we talk about as non material personal and intelligent the God of the Bible is exists helping the thinker believe in the believer think for more information go to our Zi mo RG

Which a search seems to lead to this article (full transcript) with Ravi Zacharias and William Lane Craig speaking at Iowa University:

DR. ZACHARIAS: Thank you, Bill. I really have very little to add to that and so I will add very little. But I just want to point out one very interesting facet of the very question, does God exist? I think it was Dr. E. Stanley Jones, the famed English missionary, who came to India and lived there for most of his life right into his eighties and become a very personal friend to Mahatma Gandhi and won the respect of Gandhi, too. E. Stanley Jones made a very profound comment once. He said people in the West spend their time wondering if there is a God while the people in the East spend their time wondering which God to believe in. And I can just say this to you as one who has now lived in the West for a little over half of my life – I came to the West when I was twenty, and America has now become home for me where I treasure my residence; this is my home, this is where my children are being raised. I just want to make a very definitive statement here.[7] The future of this entire nation hangs upon how they answer this question: does God really exist? Because what Bill has said, the extensions from what he said, about particularly the moral nature, the moral struggles with which we all live. This nation right from its inception struggled with reconciling liberty with law. How does one establish law if there is no longer even natural law that is accepted as having a point of reference? And so the issue of a transcendent being from whom our moral order and our moral law comes, I think, is a very significant one.

Dallas Willard, professor of philosophy at University of Southern California, gives a three-staged argument – I think it’s a very well-stated one – why he presents his reasons for the existence of God. Let me just read them for you as he’s worded it, because if I were to start expanding on it it’ll just take me more time. He gives you three stages.

Stage number one: however concrete reality is sectioned the result will be a state of affairs which owes its being to something other than itself. However concrete reality is sectioned the result will be a state of affairs which owes its being to something other than itself. That means every physical state has some specific time preceding it, and then whatever precedes that would have to be something that is non-physical if it is at the same time to be postulated as uncaused.

Stage number two: this is an important step, he calls this not an argument from design, but an argument to design. Evolution, whether cosmic or biological cannot, logically cannot, be a theory of ultimate origins. Its operation presupposes the existence of certain entities with specific potential behaviors and an environment of some specific kind that operates upon those entities in some specifically ordered fashion. The type of structure found in evolution did not itself come through evolution. If you want to see an expansion of this see Michael Behe’s book Darwin’s Black Box , professor of biochemistry at Leheigh University. I was with him two weekends ago. Just a tremendous analysis as he is dealing with biochemistry and molecular biology to talk about the irreducible complexity which evolution itself cannot explain.

So stage number one, that no matter how you section physical concrete reality it has something outside of itself that needs its explanation. Stage number two, that the very starting point evolution cannot explain because the specified complexity is there.

Stage number three: the course of human events historical, social, and individual.

So when we are talking about God as he exists we are looking at a non-material, an intelligent, and a personal first cause. And when you look at these three stages I believe there is a very persuasive argument made for why the God that we talk about as non-material, personal, and intelligent, the God of the Bible, does exist. Thank you.

and it appears there is a series in the ‘Just Thinking’ podcast series at the Iowa University?https://www.rzim.org/listen/just-thinking/the-top-five-questions-part-1
https://www.rzim.org/listen/just-thinking/the-top-five-questions-part-2
https://www.rzim.org/listen/just-thinking/the-top-five-questions-part-3
https://www.rzim.org/listen/just-thinking/the-top-five-questions-part-4
https://www.rzim.org/listen/just-thinking/the-top-five-questions-part-5
(part 6 seems to be missing when you try to load it from the site?)
https://www.rzim.org/listen/just-thinking/5-questions-students-ask-part-7
https://www.rzim.org/listen/just-thinking/5-questions-students-ask-part-8
https://www.rzim.org/listen/just-thinking/5-questions-students-ask-part-9 (this appears to be the last one?)

is that a good starting point? I tried to find some youtube videos but ran out of luck. :slight_smile:

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@matthew.western this is a good starting point.

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