Healing while Jesus on Earth

(Carson Weitnauer) #22

Hi friends,

I don’t understand this area very well. And I think there is diversity in how God works.

Ultimately, it is a relational process. Prayer stands in contrast to magic, where a certain scroll or formulas can compel spiritual powers to provide a desired result. Rather, when we seek God in prayer, we are talking with a loving heavenly Father.

That said, I am at a gathering of leaders who are committed to prayer this week. I have heard many stories of miracles taking place from them. For instance, a girl who had a new eardrum provided for her. A man who had back surgery scheduled, but after a prayer meeting, his back was healed and the surgery was canceled.

Hearing these stories from trusted leaders, I am encouraged that God continues to supernaturally heal people today.

(Glen Gibson) #23

Tim, thank you for asking a very legitimate question. Most, if not all of us, have experienced the death of a loved one, many of them dying after and while so many people prayed for healing.

A couple of years ago my father–who is in a great deal of pain for which there is no cure or treatment–said that he was ready to die. I told him not to talk like that and tried to encourage him. But then I read a book (I don’t remember the name of it) about caring for the terminally ill and people in chronic acute pain. It said not to silence them when they talked about death, because it is part of a healing process for them spiritually. It then went on to say something that I should have known already, something that my father apparently already knew:

Healing always comes for those who are in Christ! Sometimes on this Earth, sometimes in Heaven and what will be the New Creation. Now that I understand that, I can listen to my father more carefully. He believes in a world where he will be without pain (Revelation 21:4). It is as real to him today as it will be for him when he is healed. Now when I pray for my father to be healed, I do so 100% believing that he will be, and I find peace in trusting God with the timing.

Mary and Nabeel are not dead. They are more alive than we are. And they are healed.

I hope that helps.

(Tim Ramey) #24

Glen you are absolutely right and I cry out the praises to our Lord with you.

I’m not trying to stomp until I get my way so please understand that I’m not insisting that someone need agree with me. It’s not the “lack” of miracles that concern me, it’s the dynamics of the early church that seems so foreign to me today. Are we intended to live lives as Christians that contains more of the fullness of the Spirit that we seem to lack today? The early church was full of problems with perverted sexuality, gnosticism, etc but the Spirit of love, looking to the needs of others, miracles, etc seemed much more prevalent. Why and should we have more of the positive dynamics of the early church?

Carson, you too had every word spot on. It’s just this lingering question that I’ve raised that I’m trying to deal with. I think that I am just an odd duck that has so many questions that no one else can identify with!

(Carson Weitnauer) #25

Hi Tim,

I think it is good for us to long for a more complete obedience to God - both in our own lives and for our brothers and sisters in Christ. That is a desire that is modeled for us in Scripture. To share some verses you know very well from Philippians 3:

Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already arrived at my goal, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. Brothers and sisters, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.

At the same time, I don’t think the Scriptures make any link between greater obedience and more healings. Jesus healed both faithful disciples, like Lazarus, and those who were more surprising, like the Samaritan lepers (Luke 17:11-19).

(Willem Spaans) #26

I think the why has to do with the when! When Jesus walked this earth we did not have the benefit of His full revelation! We do have that now. When Jesus was asked for a sign He pointed to Himself (John 2:18 - ). We have no need for a further revelation! “Trust and obey for there is no other way to be happy in Jesus but to trust and obey” is a dated song but still so true!

(Tim Ramey) #27

What I appreciate in Connect is the realization that we all have such diverse thrusts but that we all have Jesus as our aim.

Having said that, it appears that I have a history of seeing things different in varying degrees than others. My intention is not to be disagreeable but be straightforward without ever offending.

Thus, here I am again, agreeing with you but not in context of the question. Jesus is te full revelation but my question wonders if, rather than appropriating that revelation in the church that we maybe squander all that He is and called us to be.

When Jesus walked the earth, we did not have the full revelation of that we do but there are people throughout this world that still have no idea of that revelation, many of who live as my neighbor in the west.

And @CarsonWeitnauer, I wasn’t intending on responding to your post but was going to let it go but since I’m responding to @Willem_Spaans, I thought I’d just add a note. I’m not sure how I communicated obedience as the component in the lack of miracles. I don’t think that there is a link to more of one results in more of the other. I’m sorry to give you that dynamic. Rather, I’m just saying that as we draw closer to Jesus, is there more of Himself that He desires to show us of Himself for His glory? I echo Philippians 3 with you. I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it but forgetting what’s behind , I press forward towards the goal for the prize of the upward call in Christ Jesus. The scripture is exactly the heart of my question.