Thankyou so much to yourself and the whole RZIM team - this ministry is very much needed in todays society.
My wife and I have been trying to share the Gospel with Mormon missionaries that come to the door. We are now on our third set, two young ladies, previously having two sets of young men, within the last year. It does feel a little discouraging that they get cycled out by their leadership before you have chance to get much traction.
I’ve watched and read some of Jeff Durbin’s material on youtube (Questions for mormon missionaries), and have been trying to do as he suggested and stick to ‘Who is God’, ‘Who is Jesus’, and ‘What is the Gospel’ using the KJV (as they read this also).
I think there is a logical flaw in their understanding of Origins; because they believe that ‘God’ - they refer to him as Heavenly Father, is a man that has achieved godhood and also had a father. The logical flaw is we know that the universe also had a beginning. The question of ‘How did the universe come into existence’ cannot be answered by a series of gods in the past that had fathers etc (the two young ladies yesterday were not aware that Mormon doctrine teaches that God is an elevated man)
I already was aware their doctrine of Jesus and Satan being spiritual brothers, but yesterday learnt a little more.
They believe that everyone exists in a pre-mortal state (including Jesus and Satan) and are spiritual decendants of God the Father. They then make a choice (in the pre-mortal state) as to whether they want to come to earth and be born. They then pass through this ‘veil of forgetfulness’ - which is why they can’t remember any of this ‘pre-mortal’ state.
I asked them ‘What would be the motivation in the premortal state to choose to come to earth, given the risks of the possibility of not reaching one of their three heavens?’ (celestial kingdom, terrestrial kingdom, and telestial kingdoms and outer darkness is the 4 eternal states of Mormon doctrine).
Their response was ‘in the pre-mortal state, their choices were not one of right and wrong but they were in some sort of formless or not yet completed state and it was not a choice of right and wrong’. Having thought about it today a little more; it appears that (according to them) Jesus & Satan was also in this so called ‘pre-mortal state’ and made the choice to come to earth (or not in Satan’s case).
It does feel as if there is just much wrong doctrine, it’s a case of where do you start. They are very caring people, and the young missionaries generally have all grown up in the church and know nothing else (are generally in their 20s). It’s very hard sometimes to hold back and be gentle and ask questions and not throw the kitchen sink at them (so to speak). I do remember Ravi saying that a cult basically is a compromise of Who Jesus is or what he has done.
I plan to trying to just show them the ‘Romans Road’ verses on our next visit, to gently show that a works based salvation is not Biblical. The other thing I say is ‘what do you do with the apparent contradictions between the King James Version and the Book of Mormon’ - which takes authority.
I watched Ravi speak at the Mormon tabernacle on youtube a year or so ago when we had the first two young men visiting us (I wasn’t looking for answers then on how to reach Mormons, I was just interested in what Ravi had to say; I sent a link of this video to the first set of Mormon missionaries and they are not allowed to watch any youtube whilst on mission service. The young Mormon missionary thanked me for the resource and said he would give it to his field leader for looking at). I generally try and text message them the Gospel (with Bible references) towards the end of their time to move on - as they communicate via text message.
Have you had much dealing with cults in your ministry - or more specifically what is the key to reaching Mormons? Are reaching out to cults more difficult because it’s truth mixed with error?
Sorry this is a little long - it’s still fresh in my mind from yesterday. A bit of a debrief I guess. thanks for reading - and thanks to all the RZIM team for this ministry.