Is America headed for Exile of some sort?

Hello,

I am worried about America. Already, as a society we have thrown out objective truth for subjective feelings, emasculated men, decried the nuclear family, killed our own offspring, canceled those who disagree with us, rioted and destroyed businesses, and ironically we have done all this in the name of love and rights.

History and the Bible indicate that we cannot continue spitting in God’s face forever before we will be punished for our sins. Babylon was punished and exiled by the Medes and the Persians, Rome was punished and destroyed as well; why should America not be too? So my question is, is it reasonable to believe America will experience a sort of exile soon unless there is revival? Or is this thought unfounded?

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I believe you are thinking exactly right. Our country is on a collision course with either a revival or a revolution.

But I also believe there is much more to hope for here than their was in the ancient empires you have named. God still has many people in America.

God would have spared Sodom if there had been 10 righteous. Archaelogical evidence indicates that 10 righteous people would have represented about 1% to 2% of the entire population. I really do believe that more than 1%-2% of Americans are Christians, and that far more than that do not approve of the insanity that has arisen in our land in recent years.

America certainly needs our fervent prayers!

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Yes, I feel like we are in many ways more like the Israel or Judea of Biblical times, there was always a remnant with them. There is a remnant here, too, and I think there is reason to believe there still will be in the future. But God did punish them and they did go into exile. That is more the type of exile I am thinking of, although I am not sure how that would manifest itself in the 21st century. Obviously warfare now is quite a bit different.

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@RebeccaN One thing to keep in mind is that Israel had a covenant with God. They broke that covenant. And that is why God sent them into exile. We read in Deuteronomy of the covenant blessings and curses. The exile was part of the covenant curses.

God is certainly the ruler and judge of all nations, but America does not and never has had a covenant with God the way that Israel had a covenant with God. I am very thankful for this nation and the freedoms it has afforded me, but I don’t think the word exile would be appropriate to describe what is happening in America or even what could happen in America. Because we have never had that type of covenant with God, this nation would not be judged in that specific way.

America is also not a land set apart by God for His chosen people. We are now all chosen in Christ. There is no way to be exiled unless there is a land set apart for you :slight_smile: Our home is in the new heavens and new earth - we are simply sojourners here…

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I concur with James and Rebecca.
The writing is on the wall, we will either have a revival or a revolution. There is a always a remnant which God will use. We must keep our eyes fixed on the Lord as the waves of the ocean are being churned. These things come as they must. May God be merciful to us.

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Love that. We can’t be exiled when we don’t belong. In fact, I never felt that I belonged to this world, I always felt like an odd ball that just passes through this place.

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Oops, I didn’t mean to infer that; yes, America is gentile and always has been, without any covenant with the True God. My concern is that like other gentile nations in the past, we are headed (and possibly close) to the place of crossing the line where God will surely punish us in a drastic way: the fall of the kingdom, if you will.

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Hey @RebeccaN, I think a lot of Christians in America right now are asking this type of question. As @SeanO efficiently stated, there is no biblical foundation to think that America could be exiled because this country doesn’t hold any kind of position in which exile could be enacted. That being said, any further discussion is more political than biblical and is reduced to our personal opinions so please take it for what it’s worth.

I think your worries are founded and easily justified by how America has navigated the past several decades. Culture is changing at an unprecedented rate and nothing good can come out of the self-glorifying humanism in which Americans are embracing more and more each day.

However, I don’t see America as a uniquely evil country that is crossing a line other countries don’t cross. All countries deserve God’s judgment and wrath. In His great mercy and wisdom, God has allowed these countries to continue and uses them to bring about His will. God would have been perfectly justified in punishing America 10, 20, 50 years ago but didn’t for some reason.
I have no idea of this is encouraging or just making things worse… :thinking:

As Christians, we do not need to worry because our hope has never been in America and if God chooses to punish this country at any point in time, we can be confident that it is for His glory. I think (only my personal opinion) that our prayers shouldn’t be for the prosperity or longevity of America but rather that God would continue to use this land to further His kingdom.

Thank you for engaging with this question and I hope you find the answers you’re looking for.
Stay Sharp
(Prov. 27:17)

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Very well said @SeanO!!! I was going to pull a quote from your post but wanted to quote every part of it. Your explanation was clear, concise, biblically grounded, and an important message for churches all around Amerca.

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Hello Rebecca,
THank you for bringing up this post. Personally, I really am worried about America as well.
But as has been said, God would have spared Sodom for atleast 10 righteous. And I think the now what we need to do is pray fervently and witness to our fellow citizens

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America is not alone in its danger. We in Canada by nature are less expressive hence no real rioting. While the church has remained silent the government has thrown do God out of equation in decision making. We find our voices cancelled through government laws that protect Godless to speak but restricts the Christian voice.

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I’m right there with you Rebecca. If you know the OT, God is very patient with Israel until He just can’t take it anymore. While the US is not in covenant with God as Israel, we built our foundation honoring His son, Jesus. For this He made our enemies our footstools. But over the past 50 years we have rebelled, and I believe He will use China to humble us.

Well my opinion is that all those examples were prior to Jesus coming. Now we are living in the last days. However, we have been living in the last days for quite some time. I am not sure it is just America or the world in general. It will be in the blink of an eye and all will change. In the mean time, I believe as my pastor says we are on a Holy assignment to give testimony. We have been greatly rescued and therefore should in turn wish to rescue others from eternal damnation.

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i insert a decree of disagreeance to your narrative as well as i understand completely why and how you conclude to this.

i first say that the world itself in general as a whole is a land governed and covered by the covenant of GOD as it is GODS creation. the notation of calamity suffrage itself…i believe to be within the acts of man itself and mans rebellious measures of ethnic binding and acceptable duties of worship practiced in ones favor set by materialized greed, are what determines different believers spiritual fate.

every governing council that drives followers into false idolworship surrounded by self proclamations of the inevitable intellect and all its perfections. man/humans doctrines of god are immensely evasive to its own narrative just as this very perception here ratifying the scripture

Revelation 22:18-19
I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

even my speaking to you with means of reiterating a corrective falsity i see in your response. i tread carefully…

i do not associate scriptures text to be subjective, based on my own narratives and motives
Isaiah 8:20
To the teaching and to the testimony! If they will not speak according to this word,

all in all america america i believe due to its acts against native americans, haiti, the Japanese… black Americans…primarily due to Haiti the debt of america i believe has driving our country to remain advancing in science and technology it is almost as if america DID break a covenant with either a pagan god highlighted around pedophilia or one the other culturual gods that america evasively collaborated into its appropriation of religious values and influences that drove its capitalistic democracy on certain deferment socialistic measures

@Aquafinafloe Thanks so much for joining the conversation :slight_smile: I am certainly not saying that America has not sinned. All people have sinned. And nations are made up of people. So all nations have sinned and violated God’s commandments.

What I am saying is that the term exile is a Biblical term that can only refer to Israel under the Old Covenant. It cannot be applied to modern nations.

Hope that clarifies things a bit.

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the act of exile in the old testament is only feasible according to that text at that time in that scripture. ok i understand exactly what you are saying

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Not unfounded at all. I believe you are correctly reading the signs of the times, which God Himself is revealing to you. As Jesus said to Peter" flesh and blood has not revealed this to you but My Father in heaven. It should be obvious but our society is blinded by the very infractions you name. Its not difficult to figure out that the abominations so prevalent today cry out to God for judgement as they have throughout history. there will be a harvest…a reaping consequence.
Yet we must not be troubled by this but rather keep very close to God…interceding and praying for the lost, particularly those within our own circle. Pray boldly, specifically, scripturally, constantly. Remembering that " the weapons of our warefare are not carnal, but mighty, to the pulling down of strongholds." claiming God’s word and many great promises, " for God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power love and a sound mind." Remembering too as in the Psalms that “He is our rock and refuge a very great help in times of trouble. Be not vexed over evildoers…” He knows those who are His and has made us for these times…equipped us and prepared us. Be a light! Pray always, trust in Him . He has promised never to leave or forsake us…His mercy is endless…but He thirsts fo the lost. So pray and stay close to His heart. and be assured of His love…even in these troubled times. IN SPITE OF THEM! For where sin abounds grace abounds all the more! He has conquered all.
peace.
lb

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Hi Rebecca

The number of righteous present in a nation does not preclude that nation from divine punishment. When Famine fell on the land in Elijah’s day, Obadiah had hidden 1000 prophets in caves.
That other countries are guilty too is no security for judgement. It didn’t preserve Babylon or the Medes and Persians, or Rome.
The lack of covenant relationship is also doesn’t preclude judgement. Yes it wouldn’t be described as exile. But as you pointed out, Babylon (amongst others) was destroyed for her sins. I think the question before us is could God judge America, as he has judged previous ruling powers and overturned them? I think we would all agree the simple answer is yes. If God were to judge ruling powers in our day, as he has done in times past, why wouldn’t he judge America. Other items to include in the list of indictments against a nation to be overthrown is the souls of those who have been slain which cry out against it, “how long oh Lord”, and the committing of adultery with wealth.
Read secular books such as Naomi Klein’s shock doctrine, or gain an understanding of what happens to the ordinary citizens wealth, or poverty line in developing nations/emerging economies when America prints currency. Then ask yourself that question again.

Hi Rebecca I’m not American but I love America especially how it is being governed now. But when I think Biblically about America or any nation I first think as a Christian that as Christians we are as ALIENS in this world.
In Christ’s priestly prayer He prayed for the true believers who were in the world at that time BUT also for who would become believers through their witness.

John 17:16
They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.

As for future America WE MUST ALWAYS PRAY BELIEVING that whatever happens will happen in the WILL of GOD.

Proverbs 21:1
The king’s HEART is like channels of water in the hand of the LORD; He turns it WHEREVER He wishes.
PRAY EARNESTLY & VOTE

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Thanks for your post, LCBogatko.

I know that often God does not tell us everything about the future. He gives hints though the Bible and history, but it is rare for God to say “in 10 years, the doom will come in this way.” We know from scripture that He judges the nations, sometimes in that generation (King Belshazzar in Daniel 5,) sometimes in a near future generation (King Nebuchadnezzar in Daniel 2,) and sometimes much longer than that. There seems an indication that the sins must reach their “full measure” (Genesis 15:16 and Revelation 6:11.) Who but God can say what that “enough” is? No, it is God who holds the measuring stick, not us. And if He did not have mercy, we all would be condemned: every nation and every single person.

Yes, we are called to obedience no matter what the times are, good or bad. Though kingdoms come and kingdoms fall, God reigns throughout every age, and it is often in the times of trouble that people are most open to Him. We must follow Him, remembering that Jesus said “I have told you these things, that in Me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble, but take heart: I have overcome the world” (John 16:33.) Thank you for the encouragement to keep running the race and looking to Him, no matter what tomorrow brings.

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