I might be wrong, but they sound a little bit like Mormons (Church of the Latter Day Saints).
- pre-mortal existence
- God as Mother as well
Ecclesiastics 12:7, I noticed a link from the CARM site SeanO provided
Gen 2:7 from their site: https://wmscog.com/beliefs/the-soul-exists/
and perhaps some further reading from credible site (https://www.gotquestions.org/dust-of-the-earth.html)
(wow, on their website they have a picture of Strong’s Exhaustive concordance for the Bible… I have this on my shelf given to me by my Grandma and I tease her occasionally about using the internet to search for verses and cross references … she is 93 and very close to going to be with the Lord now… @omnarchy, you were asking about Elohim / Passover references?
Elohim (plural) or El (singular) is in the Hebrew a title for a spiritual being. Yahweh is the name of God of the Bible. For example in Duetoromony 10:17
For Yahweh your elohim, he is the elohim of elohim,
and the lord of lords, the great and mighty and awesome
See in particular this reference from theBibleProject video notes:
Proverbs chapter 8 in context is the personification of wisdom. (https://www.gotquestions.org/wisdom-she-Proverbs.html)
Interestingly Jehovah’s witnesses would suggest that 8:22 is referring to Jesus being a created being.
also see the ‘Proverbs / wisdom’ video at https://thebibleproject.com/explore/wisdom-series/
Reading the entire book of Job, shows this is God speaking to Job in chapters 38-41 and asking him a long series of questions. in verse 21 it’s God speaking to Job saying, in context, with a deep sense of irony here basically saying ‘Are you God, and know all these things, (because you were obviously already born, and have lived so many years with so much wisdom)’. Ie; God in reverse is implying Job knows nothing compared to God because precisely he wasn’t already born!
“Have you journeyed to the springs of the sea
or walked in the recesses of the deep?
17 Have the gates of death been shown to you?
Have you seen the gates of the deepest darkness?
18 Have you comprehended the vast expanses of the earth?
Tell me, if you know all this.
19 “What is the way to the abode of light?
And where does darkness reside?
20 Can you take them to their places?
Do you know the paths to their dwellings?
21 Surely you know, for you were already born!
> You have lived so many years!
22 “Have you entered the storehouses of the snow
or seen the storehouses of the hail,
23 which I reserve for times of trouble,
for days of war and battle?
24 What is the way to the place where the lightning is dispersed,
or the place where the east winds are scattered over the earth?
One of the most interesting messages I’ve listened to was Ravi Zacharius speaking at the Mormon tabernacle. He spent a lot of time finding common ground, it seems, then at the last one third of the message, he left them with the question “Do you have the Son?”. It’s well worth the time to sit down and watch if you haven’t already - if nothing more than to be encouraged.
(or this one is the full service https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3h3aVs4imQI
My wife and I invited some Mormon missionaries in for further talks, and I asked them the 4 questions about a person’s worldview and we spent a whole session together (as part of the introduction course we had a task to talk to someone of a different worldview)… We kept in touch for a few sessions afterwards and in the end they became less interested in coming, and we also became busy with other live events. They had our mobile phone number and we had texted for catch up times… In the end, I texted them the Gospel to think about and shared it as clearly as I could, and then I sent them a youtube video of a testimony of a young missionary coming to Jesus… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0mckI8Xfl8 He said he was not allowed by his church to watch youtube whilst on a mission trip but he would send the video to his mission leadership to look. I responded by supporting his church leadership and said that’s a good idea because there is a lot of distraction, temptation and false teaching on youtube. I then sent the youtube clip of Ravi preaching at the Mormon tabernacle and said this one was also worth a watch if he would like to pass it onto his leadership team for review.
I’ve lost contact now, but who knows what will happen with our efforts…
I guess I share all this to encourage you to keep the conversation going with your friend, keep planting seeds of the Gospel… keep trying to show Jesus’ love, and pointing towards Jesus…
sorry this is a loooooong reply… I hope it’s somewhat helpful without being information overload!