still enjoying the humor throughout. the hippos in the bathroom cracked me up.
“is presently occupied by two magnificent hippos who are at this very moment engaged in a hearty duet of “Mud, Mud, Glorious Mud!” (one singing, one accompanying on the kazoo),”
and then the one here:
For example, Christians gain their identity from their belief that God has revealed himself, uniquely and supremely, in and through Jesus Christ. Manchester United fans are united in their belief in theirteam’s (usual) prowess. Supporters of the Liberal Democrat Party are united in their belief that it would be a jolly good idea to send their leader on a speaking tour of Australia. Or Azerbaijan. Or India. Or anywhere, really.
Actually we don’t want any Liberal Democrat Party speakers in Australia; we have enough politicians here already thankyou very much.
Under question 1.
I would say the motive to say atheism isn’t a belief; is simply wanting to sit back and throw rocks at everyone else while not have to justify your own belief system. This was a good point that Andy brought out.
Some really good points made:
- Beliefs attract other beliefs. If you believe there is no God; then other beliefs start to follow.
- I really liked the explanation of an identity marker; I’m a Christian, I’m an atheist, I’m a Manchester United fan. And we don’t introduce ourselves as a random non-belief-in-things-that-don’t exist: such as an "atoothfairyian”.
- I had no idea there was atheist churches…
@boabbott - good point about chatting to each other, not just putting a few thoughts down. Hope you managed to get through your work overload you mentioned in the first post.
I was pondering in the first chapter, trying to think of something meaningful to ask Andy; in response to the main thoughts about enjoyment in life; but after thinking a while, I kind of got stuck trying to come up with a question worth asking. I thought that enjoyment is actually a very good thing, and something we desire. Perhaps the knowledge of, and relationship with Jesus Christ, gives joy as a secondary (and good) outcome. When we just pursue pleasure (enjoyment) for the sake of it, it’s empty at the end of it all.
I also read with great interest @Keith_Moore thoughts on chapter 1, and playing the devils advocate a bit.
I also noticed in Chapter 1, the mention of category errors, in relation to enjoyment being all there is. Also in this chapter, there’s also one mention of a category error.
I’m not at all familiar with philosophy nor trained in it; but did a little reading about category errors.
So in chapter 1: the category error is: Enjoyment is the only thing about life (example: mountain tops are the best bits, blue is the only colour)
chapter 2: the category error is the statement: the lack of belief is not a belief? eg: things that are, are neither true nor false. “the colour blue is true”
Is there a simple way to explain for a non-philosopher what category errors are, and how to spot them?
thanks for leading this book discussion. … (looking forward to chapter 3 discussion, because I got stuck on the logic of a couple of the statements)