Why no non-christian author's records/ documents about Jesus of Nazareth within His lifetime..... And about His family tree

Dear sisters and brothers,

I have two questions,

  1. If Jesus of Nazareth was indeed born of a virgin, did miracles, healed the sick and raised many death people ,was crucified- which was an important event in the history and resurrected one… then why don’t we have non-christian’s records/ documents by non-Christian authors ( Romans or Greeks or others) within His lifetime (1A.D-50A.D) or within the first century. Many prominent leaders, kings, historians will surely have heard about such unique and wonderful news/information about Jesus of Nazareth- born of a virgin, miracle workers who raised many death people ,was crucified - which was an important event in the history and the resurrected one.

Even King Herod got the news/information quickly about the birth of Jesus of Nazareth- King of the Jews.

( N. B. Yes, prominent figures like Caiaphus or Josephus names were also not mentioned during the first century but Jesus of Nazareth was completely unique historical person unlike other famous kings or leaders at that time) .

Once again, Jesus of Nazareth was a miracle worker who did miracles, healed the sick and raised many death people ,He was crucified- which was an important event is the history, and the resurrected one…So, then why don’t we have non-christian’s records/ documents by non-christian authors ( Romans or Greeks or others) within His lifetime (1A.D-50A.D) or within the first century…

  1. Actually, If Jesus of Nazareth or His family or His 12 disciples truly existed as a historical person/figures, then why don’t we hear till today ( 21st century) about their children’s children’s, children’s descendants… generation till today ( 21st century)… about their family tree…since Jesus of Nazareth was so unique why don’t we hear about at least His family members or His 12 disciples or His relatives family tree till today( 21st century).

(N. B. The longest family tree in the world is that of the Chinese philosopher and educator Confucius (551–479 BC), and he is the descendant of King Tang (1675–1646 BC). The tree spans more than 80 generations from him, and includes more than 2 million members).

Here, For us, Christianity, it’s only about 20 generations but for Chinese it’s 80 generations…Maybe such comparison is little faulty. I’m just curious…

Why the first century church/fathers and the following generations…church fathers are so poor in recording in their documents…unlike Chinese solid record shown above… ???

I hope you understand my questions.

Thank you.

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I just googled the phrase, “ancient references to Jesus outside the Bible”, and it instantly returned a wealth of ancient historical references to Jesus from non-Christian sources. Try it - it’s easy, and you’ll find plenty of reliable, historical mentions of Him.

As for the genealogies of Christ and the apostles, these were meticulously recorded whenever a Jewish boy was dedicated in the temple at 40 days old, or a girl at 80 days. Luke 2:22 and following records this event in Jesus’ infancy - although the enrollment in the nation’s genealogy is not described there. Still, we assume it took place, not only as a matter of course, but also because Luke’s research of Jesus’ life preserves His genealogy in Luke 3:23 and following.

But all of those records were protected in the temple, and when Rome burned the city and the temple, those records were destroyed. So today, there is no living Jew who can prove his genealogy beyond 70 AD except Jesus, being (as was supposed) the Son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli, which was the son of Matthat…

I hope this will help you.

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Hello @Daniel1, here are some examples to answer your first question.

—Reporting on Emperor Nero’s decision to blame the Christians for the fire that had destroyed Rome in A.D. 64, the Roman historian Tacitus wrote:
Nero fastened the guilt … on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of … Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome…

—Writings of Josephus, a first-century Jewish historian (37-100AD):
On two occasions, in his Jewish Antiquities, he mentions Jesus. The second, less revealing, reference describes the condemnation of one “James” by the Jewish Sanhedrin. This James, says Josephus, was “the brother of Jesus the so-called Christ.” F.F. Bruce points out how this agrees with Paul’s description of James in Galatians 1:19 as “the Lord’s brother.” And Edwin Yamauchi informs us that “few scholars have questioned” that Josephus actually penned this passage.
As interesting as this brief reference is, there is an earlier one, which is truly astonishing. Called the “Testimonium Flavianum,” the relevant portion declares:
About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he … wrought surprising feats… He was the Christ. When Pilate …condemned him to be crucified, those who had . . . come to love him did not give up their affection for him. On the third day he appeared … restored to life… And the tribe of Christians … has … not disappeared.
The Antiquities of the Jews (18:63–64), with what is commonly believed to be additions by a later Christian translator in brackets:
“At this time there appeared Jesus, a wise man [if indeed one ought to refer to him as a man]. For he was a doer of startling deeds, a teacher of people who received the truth with pleasure. And he gained a following both among many Jews and among many of Greek origin. [He was the Messiah-Christ.] And when Pilate, because of an accusation made by the leading men among us, condemned him to the cross, those who had loved him previously did not cease to do so. [For on the third day he appeared to them again alive, just as the divine prophets had spoken about these and countless other marvelous things about him.] And up until this very day the tribe of Christians, named after him, has not died out.”

While the first example is in A.D. 64 you have to realize that the earliest documents would be the bible itself. The writings of Paul are the earliest you will see. While Jesus was amazing the Jewish leaders dismissed his miracles as witchcraft in the talmud.

The Babylonian Talmud “Sanhedrin 43a; df.t. Sanh. 10:11”, this confirms John 8:59 and Matt. 26:2. They only accuse Jesus of being an evil sorcerer meaning it confirms that Jesus did work miracles.

Which would explain why some may have dismissed all the things he had done and what his disciples were doing. Even then the Caesar of that time only has around 10 historical references about him, yet Jesus had around 40. In caparison wouldn’t it make more sense that an emperor has more references than Jesus who was considered a commoner? When you look at it from that perspective you can see that Jesus had great influence.

To answer your second question remember in 70AD the Jews were attacked. It’s called “The Siege of Jerusalem”. Britannica has this to say about it:

Siege of Jerusalem , (70 ce), Roman military blockade of Jerusalem during the First Jewish Revolt. The fall of the city marked the effective conclusion of a four-year campaign against the Jewish insurgency in Judaea. The Romans destroyed much of the city, including the Second Temple. The majority of information on the siege comes from the copious notes of the Jewish historian Flavius Josephus.

You can read the rest here

The Jews very well could have lost a lot of that information in them trying to survive. Yet still there is evidence of who Jesus family members were.

-Josephus, The Antiquities of the Jews 18.63ff, confirms the brother of Jesus as James in "Antiquities 20.9.1, Also confirms that John the baptist was beheaded by Herod Antipas “Antiquities 18.5.2”.

I hope this information helps some. And also don’t forget to look into the archaeological information that confirms the bible. If there is physical evidence that confirms what the bible says it doesn’t matter how old the writings are because you have something else that confirms the evidence and gives you more confidence that the authors were telling the truth in what they were writing.

God Bless :slight_smile:

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  1. Protoevangelium:
    The New Testament is the continuation of the Old Testament. We are descendants of Adam and Eve. When we talk of the genealogy of Jesus, it must begin with the Old Testament. The genealogy of Jesus in Matthew is not comprehensive but it is sufficient. The word “protoevangelium” comes from two Greek words, “Protos” meaning “first” (prototype), and “euaggelion” meaning “Gospel.”

In other words, it is the first mention of the Gospel in the Bible. This first mention is found in Genesis 3:15 which says: “And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.”

The enmity is between the seed or offspring of the serpent, Satan and his followers. and the seed or offspring of Eve, Jesus Christ, who was a descendant of Eve.

Satan bruised the heel of Jesus by attacking Him in numerous ways during His time on Earth, which ultimately ended with Him suffering and dying on the cross. However, through His resurrection, Jesus won the decisive victory, and “crushed the head” of Satan. “Crushing the head” means a fatal blow, Satan was completely defeated. His time on Earth will soon end, and he will be cast into the Lake of Fire (Revelation 20:10).

From the very beginning, God had a plan to redeem mankind from the penalty of sin through Jesus Christ. This theme runs throughout the whole Bible. Jesus Christ was manifested to destroy the works of the devil (1 John 3:8 and Hebrews 2:14- & 5).

1 Corinthians 15:45-47
So it is written: The first man Adam became a living being; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. The first man was of the dust of the earth; the second man is of heaven.

  1. Childhood of Jesus:
    In ancient times kings and emperors employed writers or even poets to record events of their lives. Jesus Christ was not an earthly king nor was Mary and Joseph wealthy enough to employ a writer to record details of his life. But the four Gospels are biographical and contain the eye-witness accounts of his life. In the New Testament there are about 11 famous historical personalities, the five Herods and the Caesars of the Roman Empire. Outside of the Bible, there are also several historical books mentioning events of the New Testament and the early Church. Coming to the childhood of Jesus Christ, there are enough references in the Gospels to construct his early years.

Luke 2:22 When the time of their purification according to the Law of Moses had been completed, Joseph and Mary took him to Jerusalem to present him to the Lord.

After eight days of his birth, Jesus, like any other Hebrew child, would be circumcised. On the fourteenth day burnt offering for purification. Rich people would offer a lamb. For Mary and Joseph it would be a dove, the poor man’s offering. From the age of five to ten like all other Jewish children he would spend most of his time in reading and memorizing the Old Testament scripture. He would also be learning to write. At the age of twelve, a Jewish child is considered a grown up adult and he must take up a trade. His father being a carpenter he must have learned from his father and taken up the profession of carpentry.

Luke 2:40 And the child grew and became strong; he was filled with wisdom, and the grace of God was upon him.

Luke 2:41 & 42 Every year his parents went to Jerusalem for the Feast of the Passover. When he was twelve years old, they went up to the Feast, according to the custom.

From these verses we learn that Jesus was obedient to his parents. The verses explain both the physical and spiritual growth of Jesus. There are other Bible passages we can refer to.

Luke 2:46 & 47 After three days they found him in the temple courts, sitting among the teachers, listening to them and asking them questions. Everyone who heard him was amazed at his understanding and his answers.

His knowledge of the scripture, his questions and answers surprised even the teachers.

Matthew 13:55 & 56 “Isn’t this the carpenter’s son? Isn’t his mother’s name Mary, and aren’t his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas? Aren’t all his sisters with us? Where then did this man get all these things?”

Nothing is mentioned of Joseph after the childhood of Jesus. He must have died by then. Jesus lived a quiet life as a carpenter and people knew him and his family members. But Jesus must have been in constant communion with the Father, preparing himself for his earthly ministry, his mission to carry out what the Father had sent him to do.

The Bible as a whole is about the history of God’s dealing with mankind. Hence we must understand that what we don’t know about some parts of Jesus’ life is not important. His baptism by John the Baptist and the beginning of his three years ministry, his crucifixion and his resurrection are what really matter to us.

I have left out the historical books and the authors relating to Jesus outside of the Bible since a fellow member has already given some references.
Blessings.